Hydrogen Generator/Hydrogen Injection Systems

[DANTHEVR4MAN]

NEW VIDEO THANKS TO PHILIP
HHO UNIT ON A STEALTH

YouTube - Amazing HHO Hybrid part 2

There are a ton of people doing this now with stainless steel tube type conductors, and plate style seeing very real results it takes very little water to create a decent amount of gas most of the setups are using distilled water and baking soda to aid there reactions with a 12v car battery from what I have seen, and an efficient setup is able to inject 2 liters or more of gas per minute to aide in combustion creating a cleaner burning stronger burn with the added oxygen, and hydrogen created

Hydrogen Generator for Diesel Hydrogen Injection and Diesel Hybrid Hydrogen

Hydrogen Generator Plans - How To Build A Hydrogen Generator

QuantumSphere - Advanced Nano-Catalysts for Clean, Renewable Energy in Batteries, Fuel Cells, Solar Power and Hydrogen Generation

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YouTube - Hydrogen Electrolysis - 1 Part 1

YouTube - New Improved Hydrogen Cell #2

YouTube - Hydrogen Test Drive HHO Cell #1 Gas Saver

EDIT new interesting link this company is in toronto I may contact them like a half an hour from me lol
video of an engine running completely off of water using the above methods at the end too

Running an Automobile on Hydrogen Using Water, by Drunvalo


I was considering putting a tube style in place of my charcoal canister since I removed it for vac reduction anyways. There are tons of videos on youtube of people using these with real gains, and just trying to promote this potentially useful technology. Please no one compare this technology which is definitely not new. With electric turbochargers or an ebay scam because it is not . Any positive ideas or info is greatly appreciated

[mikes2nd]

can we ban these guys advertising? or at least make em pay for advertising their bs products.

Xado and hydrogen bs generators... are bs...

[VR4Drive92]

First ....this sounds like an add

Second...wanna elaborate on these so called gains? I'd LOVE to know how this magical extra hydrogen and oxygen will make my burn cleaner and stronger... All you have done is ADD to the ALREADY existent air + fuel. Also, you've added even more oxygen to add to the NOx emissions of the motor.

P.S. The BMW 740iH's run off hydrogen. Guess what. They make LESS power than conventional petrol. So I would love to know how this burn is "stronger."

Please, enlighten me.

Go right on ahead. Be our guinea pig. Also, you're going to need more than the "pissing in the wind" 2 L/min.

Ninja edit : I'm not trying to sound like an asshole here. I understand fully of where these guys are trying to come from. Yes, more hydrogen in your intake charge CAN lower your combustion temperatures. The lower the better as far as NOx goes. Plus, Yes, you can have a leaner running AFR in the motor. HOWEVER this is not under high load situations, very low load situations, and I highly doubt this would be that effective with turbocharged vehicles. But maybe I'm just too closed minded.

[bert0mac]

if its adding hydrogen and oxygen its basically adding water to a place where your trying to make fire right??

besides, extra O2 means more fuel so less efficient. either that or your running lean. either way, sounds like bs to me

[Gramdollar]

if its adding hydrogen and oxygen its basically adding water to a place where your trying to make fire right??

besides, extra O2 means more fuel so less efficient. either that or your running lean. either way, sounds like bs to me

umm for one when hydrogen and oxygen are separated it's an extremely explosive mixture, not water. and you have to add the hydrogen along with the O2 to take that combustion into its own effect. now i'm not saying this stuff is the shit and i've seen gains. i'm just saying it's plausible

[DANTHEVR4MAN]

Originally Posted by VR4Drive92

First ....this sounds like an add

Second...wanna elaborate on these so called gains? I'd LOVE to know how this magical extra hydrogen and oxygen will make my burn cleaner and stronger... All you have done is ADD to the ALREADY existent air + fuel. Also, you've added even more oxygen to add to the NOx emissions of the motor.
P.S. The BMW 740iH's run off hydrogen. Guess what. They make LESS power than conventional petrol. So I would love to know how this burn is "stronger."
Please, enlighten me.

Go right on ahead. Be our guinea pig. Also, you're going to need more than the "pissing in the wind" 2 L/min.

Ninja edit : I'm not trying to sound like an asshole here. I understand fully of where these guys are trying to come from. Yes, more hydrogen in your intake charge CAN lower your combustion temperatures. The lower the better as far as NOx goes. Plus, Yes, you can have a leaner running AFR in the motor. HOWEVER this is not under high load situations, very low load situations, and I highly doubt this would be that effective with turbocharged vehicles. But maybe I'm just too closed minded.

Elaborated
How is it an add I never put any links too for sale sites I even put in the free plans

To best describe how Hydrogen Enhanced Combustion works, we are providing this excerpt from a University Technical Report, written by Mr. George Vosper, P.Eng.;
...a Hydrogen Generating System (HGS) for trucks or cars has been on the market for some time. Mounted on a vehicle, it feeds small amounts of hydrogen and oxygen into the engine's air intake. Its makers claim savings in fuel, reduced noxious and greenhouse gases and increased power. The auto industry is not devoid of hoaxes and as engineers are sceptics by training, it is no surprise that a few of them say the idea won't work. Such opinions, from engineers can't be dismissed without explaining why I think these Hydrogen Generating Systems do work and are not just another hoax. The 2nd law of thermodynamics is a likely source of those doubts. Meaning ...the law -would lead you to believe that it will certainly take more power to produce this hydrogen than can be regained by burning it in the engine. i.e. the resulting energy balance should be negative. If the aim is to create hydrogen by electrolysis to be burned as a fuel, the concept is ridiculous. On the other hand, if hydrogen, shortens the burn time of the main fuel-air mix, putting more pressure on the piston through a longer effective power stroke, and in doing so takes more work out, then this system does make sense.
Does it work? Independent studies, at different universities, using various fuels, have shown that flame speeds increase when small amounts of hydrogen are added to air-fuel mixes. A study by the California Institute of Technology, at its Jet Propulsion Lab Pasadena, in 1974 concluded:
The J.P.L. concept has unquestionably demonstrated that the addition of small quantities of gaseous hydrogen to the primary gasoline significantly reduces CO and NOx exhaust emissions while improving engine thermal efficiency

A recent study at the University of Calgary by G.A. Karim on the effect of adding hydrogen to a methane-fuelled engine says
... The addition of some hydrogen to the methane, speeds up the rates of initiation and subsequent propagation of flames over the whole combustible mixture range, including for very fast flowing mixtures. This enhancement of flame initiation and subsequent flame propagation, reduces the Ignition delay and combustion period in both spark ignition and compression ignition engines which should lead to noticeable improvements in the combustion process and performance

What happens inside the combustion chamber is still only a guess. In an earlier explanation I suggested that the extremely rapid flame speed of the added hydrogen oxygen interspersed through the main fuel air mix, gives the whole mix a much faster flame rate. Dr. Brant Peppley, Hydrogen Systems Group, Royal Military College, Kingston, has convinced me that insufficient hydrogen is produced to have much effect by just burning it. He feel's that the faster burn is most likely due to the presence of nascent (atomic) hydrogen and nascent oxygen, which initiate a chain reaction. I now completely agree. Electrolysis produces "nascent" hydrogen, and oxygen, which may or may not reach the engine as nascent. It is more probable that high temperature in the combustion chamber breaks down the oxygen and hydrogen molecules into free radicals (i.e. nascent). The chain reaction initiated by those free radicals will cause a simultaneous ignition of all the primary fuel. As it all ignites at once, no flame front can exist and without it there is no pressure wave to create knock.

The results of tests at Corrections Canada's, Bowden Alberta Institution and other independent tests reinforce the belief that combustion is significantly accelerated. They found with the HGS on, unburned hydrocarbons, CO and NO, in the exhaust were either eliminated or drastically reduced and at the same R.P.M. the engine produced more torque from less fuel.

Recently I took part in the highway test of a vehicle driven twice over the same 200-kilometre course, on cruise control, at the same speed, once with the system off and once with it on. A temperature sensor from an accurate pyrometer kit had been inserted directly into the exhaust manifold, to eliminate thermal distortion from the catalytic converter. On average, the exhaust manifold temperature was 65�F lower during the second trip when the Hydrogen Generating System was switched on. The fuel consumption with the unit off was 5.13253 km/li. and 7.2481 km/li. with it on, giving a mileage increase of 41.2% and a fuel savings attributable to the unit of 29.18%

From the forgoing, the near absence of carbon monoxide and unburnt hydrocarbons confirms a very complete and much faster burn. Cooler exhaust temperatures show that more work is taken out during the power stroke. More torque from less fuel at the same R.P.M. verifies that higher pressure from a faster burn, acting through a longer effective power stroke, produces more torque and thus more work from less fuel. The considerable reduction in nitrous oxides (NOx} was a surprise. I had assumed that the extreme temperatures from such a rapid intense burn would produce more NO.,. Time plus high temperature are both essential for nitrous oxides to form. As the extreme burn temperatures are of such short duration and temperature through the remainder of the power stroke and the entire exhaust stroke, will, on average, be much cooler. With this in mind, it is not so surprising that less NOx is produced when the HGS is operating.

Assume a fuel-air mix is so lean as to normally take the entire power stroke (180�) to complete combustion. Educated estimates suggest the presence of nascent hydrogen and oxygen decreases the burn time of the entire mix by a factor of ten (10). If a spark advance of 4� is assumed, the burn would be complete at about 14� past top dead centre. Such a burn will be both rapid and intense. The piston would have moved less than 2% of its stroke by the end of the burn, allowing over 98% of its travel to extract work. The lower exhaust manifold temperatures observed when the Hydrogen Generating System was in use can be viewed as evidence for this occurrence.

Power consumed by this model of the electrolysis cell is about 100 watts. If an alternator efficiency of 60% is assumed, then 0.2233 horsepower will produce enough wattage. Even on a compact car, a unit would use less than 1/4 % of its engine's output, or about what is used by the headlights. The energy regained from burning the hydrogen in the engine is so small that virtually all of the power to the electrolyser must be considered lost. That loss should not, however, exceed V4%, so that any increase in the engine's thermal efficiency more than 1/4 %, is a real gain.
An engineering classmate suggested a grass fire as a useful analogy to understand combustion within an engine. The flame front of a grass fire is distinct and its speed depends in part on the closeness of the individual blades. If grass is first sprayed with a small amount of gasoline to initiate combustion, then all blades will ignite almost in unison. In much the same way, small amounts of nascent oxygen and hydrogen present in the fuel-air mix will cause a chain reaction that ignites all the primary fuel molecules simultaneously. Faster more complete burns are the keys to improving efficiency in internal combustion engines. Power gained from increased thermal efficiency, less the power to the electrolysis unit, is the measure of real gain or loss. It follows from the foregoing paragraph that even a modest gain in thermal efficiency will be greater than the power used by an electrolysis unit. The net result should therefore be positive. Thus onboard electrolysis systems supplying hydrogen and oxygen to internal combustion engines, fuelled by diesel, gasoline or propane, should substantially increase efficiencies.
While the auto industry searches for the perfect means of eliminating harmful emissions, consideration should be given to what these systems can do now, since the HGS considers reduction of harmful emissions even as the engine ages. Almost all unburned hydrocarbons, CO and NO,, are eliminated. Reducing hydrocarbons and CO causes a slight rise in the percentage of CO2 in the exhaust, but as less fuel is used, the actual quantity of CO2 produced is reduced by roughly the same ratio as the savings in fuel. In brief, noxious gas is almost eliminated and greenhouse gas is decreased in proportion to the reduction in fuel consumption. Nothing I have learned so far has lessened my belief that the benefits of using electrolysis units to supply hydrogen to most types of internal combustion engines are both real and considerable.

[GTO_VR4]

Ive too been looking into this whole hydrogen generators. There is this guy in AUS who is experimenting with hydro cells on his mitsubishi verada. if you knew anything about this car, its pretty much a diamante which just so happens to all share the 6G72 motor

YouTube - Mitsubishi running on Hydrogen booster

Like Dan said, there is tons of people on youtube messing around with this. check out the 60mpg ford escort on youtube. Here is a really easy basic setup on a hydro unit. downfall to this setup is that it creates a lot of heat and would boil up the water sooner or later.

YouTube - 02 - Hydrogen Booster Test - The BIG Bang

Im no rocket science but I think the trick here is to retard the timing to compensate for the hydrogen or something.

/shrugs shoulders

[deflator]

Interesting stuff, makes me want to try to take my corolla to the next level by modding it for fuel economy. Like say try adding a cold air intake, more efficient exhaust, and hydrogen injection...hmmm

Now would this work with just an onboard tank of hydrogen? The main issue with this is the energy spent separating the molecules, but if you bought H by the tankful manufactured from nuclear power...

[DANTHEVR4MAN]

Originally Posted by deflator

Interesting stuff, makes me want to try to take my corolla to the next level by modding it for fuel economy. Like say try adding a cold air intake, more efficient exhaust, and hydrogen injection...hmmm

Now would this work with just an onboard tank of hydrogen? The main issue with this is the energy spent separating the molecules, but if you bought H by the tankful manufactured from nuclear power...

Yeah well the idea is the energy is just unused it runs on very little amps/volts so you can easily charge your battery and run it at the same time off the alternator.1 gallon of water = 4707 Liters of volume of hydrogen when broken down. I will be using a second battery though just to be on the safe side. It is no worse than running a decent sized stereo system.

The hydrogen/oxygen is only to aide in combustion hence the fuel economy gains and more power. On the power side I dont know how much of a gain but if you look at I believe the 3rd or 4th video I added you can see how fast and large the bubbles are coming up its enough gas to make a difference, and the system has its own pressure so no pump needed just have to change/refill the water about every two weeks (one of the shortfalls). Small price to pay if I can give the gas companies less money. Ohh also it has been documented that people are able to use this system to eliminate the need for premium gas . Im sure it would cut some of the power gain but its an extra 10cents a litre here so would save a considerable amount right there.

I am glad some people have some positive feedback and are keeping an open mind on the board I am not trying to sell anyone anything. This technology is not new just getting much more efficient recently, and with the gas prices people are not turned away by the maintenance this system entails which isn't all that bad in my opinion. There have been alot of bashers since I braught this topic up stating that its a Hoax, an AD, Can the post be banned, Its like the 30$ ebay turbos, etc etc..... without having any proof to back up there statements. Have you done it because I have seen it here and in person . I have a friend who works at darlington nuclear as a nondestructive tester , and I have seen his HHO work I have not put one on my car yet I am just in the process of researching. But so far I like what ive found, and so I thought I would put it out there to see if anyone else thought it was interesting even put it in the general section but it is getting alot of haters lol. Ill keep it going with whatever new info I find if there is still interest.
If you have nothing productive to say or facts about someone who has tried and had it not work please dont post lol, and I would appreciate it if you removed your post to keep this thread free of off topic information
Thanks

PS. check out the new link in the first post

[DANTHEVR4MAN]

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