Car and Driver says M3 > GT-R & 911 Turbo - Page 2 - 3000GT/Stealth International Message Center

lawdogg · 06-05-2008, 10:13 AM

I wrote them some hate mail.

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Originally Posted by lawdoggtoC&D

Dear Editors:

It is fine if you write your magazine to serve as a commuter-car-niche thermometer, or a buyer's guide for Mr. Drives-A-Minivan (oh wait, Mr. Drives-A-"crossover"), or even as a wish list for Ms. Sassy-Single in her search for the most femininely assertive psuedo-sporty getup, but if you somehow have the dilusion that there is any space in your magazine for cross-comparoes of halo supercars, you are wrong. Regardless of the amount of money BMW pays you to print these fabricated tales of their latest industry thwomping (as you have been at least since 1998 when you placed the E36 BMW M3 above the Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4, Toyota Supra Turbo, and Chevy C5 Corvette simply because it "got the most votes"), it is surely not worth the lack of sleep you must get while tossing and turning from the nightmares of Automotive Enthusiast misguidance, falsification, and betrayal.

The fact that you include such elements in your rubric as "Gotta Have It" (or "audacity" as you may remember it from 1998) and "Fun To Drive" leads me to believe that you in fact ARE Mr. Drives-A-Minivan or Ms. Sassy-Single, and you have NO idea who Mr. or Ms. Drives-Competitively-On-The-Weekends-And-Wants-A-Critical-Comparison-of-Supercars. The subjective nature in general of most of the criteria in the rubric makes the entire comparison flawed from the start - you know as well as I do that what you may think handles like an ice cream truck, I not only think is as nimble as Bill Clinton on the hotseat but will also drive circles around you in anything else. Do you honestly think anyone will pick up the M3 over the performance benchmark 911 Turbo, or over the Godzilla sent from Japan to destroy it?

If your intent is to satisfy the waiting room or toilet seat jitters with some useless jibber jabber about how much Mr. Vane-60-year-old-with-too-much-money HAS to have the latest BMW off the boat from Bavaria, then PLEASE adapt a much more fitting title - such as Transportation and Passenger. Leave the Cars and Driving to the people with a vested interest in the concept.

Sincerely,

Ryan Lawlis
Williamsport, PA

clumzy · 06-05-2008, 10:25 AM

^^ Well put Ryan. C&D has been blasted so much about being on BMW's payroll that they even joke about it in their own articles now. Excellent credibility. What's even more funny is that in this same issue they tout the return of the Bullitt and Challenger, both cars they test in their original incarnations. No WONDER they like BMWs so much, because their hemorrhoids can't take the other cars!

Kibwe Walker · 06-05-2008, 10:36 AM

"transportation and passenger"

ROTFLOL. That made me laugh Lawdogg

DHiStealth · 06-05-2008, 12:02 PM

awesome. let us know if they respond

Turbo Tension · 06-05-2008, 12:11 PM

I heard back in the day they did a comparison between the BMW 318ti and a Mercedes Benz CLK GTR and the BMW won because it got better gas mileage.

AlmosN8kd · 06-05-2008, 12:37 PM

Let's not forget, the new M3 has a 4 door option for the Mr. Drives-a-Minivan and Ms. Sassy-Single so they can take their friends out to the country club and arrive in "style." Personally, sports cars don't have 4 doors in my mind; granted, there are the EVOs and STis out there which are very competitive cars but they're not sports cars in my mind; I just love the coupe too much.

James92TSi · 06-05-2008, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by lawdogg

I wrote them some hate mail.

You rule.

Transportation and Passenger....

Mint1992vr4 · 06-05-2008, 01:24 PM

BMW just forked a lot of cash over to Car and Driver!

SnakeSkinner · 06-05-2008, 01:30 PM

For 15 yrs C&D has called the M3 the "holy grail" of sports cars. I dont think anything will ever change there minds on that. For yrs it has been in tests were it gets trounced by every car in the test and thy still like it better, all the way back to the C4 corvette days. To each his own....

TypicalStateGuy · 06-05-2008, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Let-luse

Who gives a damn about rear seat space, rear sear comfort, trunk space, when comparing performance cars?

Probably the same people who want something to drive when they aren't bench racing on the internet...err....rack track.

06-05-2008, 10:25 AM	#12 (permalink)
clumzy Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto Canada Drives: 1993 VR4 Trader Rating: (5)	Re: Car and Driver says M3 > GT-R & 911 Turbo ^^ Well put Ryan. C&D has been blasted so much about being on BMW's payroll that they even joke about it in their own articles now. Excellent credibility. What's even more funny is that in this same issue they tout the return of the Bullitt and Challenger, both cars they test in their original incarnations. No WONDER they like BMWs so much, because their hemorrhoids can't take the other cars! __________________ Jerry Track Vids - Jun08 GoPro1 Jun08 GoPro2 - Oct07 1 Oct07 2 - July07 Gas Mileage - 00 Honda Civic Si - 93 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4

06-05-2008, 10:36 AM	#13 (permalink)
Kibwe Walker Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Nashville Drives: 93 RT/tt Trader Rating: (2)	Re: Car and Driver says M3 > GT-R & 911 Turbo "transportation and passenger" ROTFLOL. That made me laugh Lawdogg __________________ His - Red 93 RT/tt Mods: Hallman's MBC @ 16 psi, turbo XS type H BOV, stillen dp, custom exhaust, Spec stage 2 clutch, RPS FW, 3sx lightweight crank pulley, BCP7RES-11 @ .030 gap, autometer gauges, slightly gutted mas, dsm SMIC's, ACPT 1 piece CFDS, Tein S springs, pte 580 inj's, safc neo/SITC, 13t's, hotwired walbro, maximal performance solid motor mounts, DR plenum spacer. Hers - BPU Green 94 vr4

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Turbo Tension 3SX FTL Join Date: May 2001 Location: Central Illinois Drives: the smokey behind u Trader Rating: (8)	Re: Car and Driver says M3 > GT-R & 911 Turbo I heard back in the day they did a comparison between the BMW 318ti and a Mercedes Benz CLK GTR and the BMW won because it got better gas mileage. __________________ 1993 "dove gray metallic" Stealth R/T Turbo Car is FOR SALE - 15k - PM me 6-speed transmission conversion, 2g front brake conversion, AWS delete with SK VR4 radius rod mod(BIG thanks to Joe G.'s website! )Kormex front LSD, Port matched Upper Intake -> Ported and port matched lower intake -> DR stage ]l[ heads, DR650Rs, ARC2 w/ 87mm MAF $ ARM1, Denso 255 hotwired, 720cc inj. fed by a Home made dual feed system for $800 w/ single hotwired intank pump, DR Weldin DSM sidemounts, DNP Y-pipe, 3SX poly motormounts, Vac hose reduction,, Chipped stock ECU -9000rpm rev limiter, Blitz DSBC in stock tape deck, VDO boost gauge, GREDDY EGT gauge, ATR downpipe - Borla catback w/ custom 3" flanges (3" all the way through), RPS flywheel, RPS clutch, Tein S-tech springs, Saner front and rear sway bars, Cusco adj. rear sway bar, 3SX adj. upper control arms, STEDEBANI front poly suspension bushings, 1995 VR4 front brake caliper conversion, Stillen Rotors,SCE extended wheel studs WELDED IN - THANKS SUPERCAR ENGINEERING! in NEW OEM hubs, Porterfield R4S pads, SILKOLENE brake fluid, Pro N1s w/ S03 Potenzas, 17x9 FNCRO1NFC01RN 5Zigens w/ NITTO 555Rs, POR15 on everything and a ton of new stock stuff... Car is FOR SALE - 15k - PM me

06-05-2008, 12:37 PM	#16 (permalink)
AlmosN8kd TPW: The Prophet Join Date: May 2004 Location: Auburn, AL Drives: without wearing much Trader Rating: (40)	Re: Car and Driver says M3 > GT-R & 911 Turbo Let's not forget, the new M3 has a 4 door option for the Mr. Drives-a-Minivan and Ms. Sassy-Single so they can take their friends out to the country club and arrive in "style." Personally, sports cars don't have 4 doors in my mind; granted, there are the EVOs and STis out there which are very competitive cars but they're not sports cars in my mind; I just love the coupe too much. __________________ Slightly Modded! --> 1994 Dodge Stealth R/T Twin Turbo <-- Slightly Modded! 1994 Dodge Stealth R/T Twin Turbo (Slow) My slow car-->13.097sec at 107.73mph<--My slow car 1996 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 Convertible (Even slower) 2001 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited 4x4 (Don't ask) 2007 Honda CBR600RR (Fast enough)

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06-05-2008, 01:24 PM	#18 (permalink)
Mint1992vr4 Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Lopatcong, NJ Drives: allthrottlenobottle Trader Rating: (2)	Re: Car and Driver says M3 > GT-R & 911 Turbo BMW just forked a lot of cash over to Car and Driver! __________________ [size="2"] 1992 3000gt vr-4 13,132 original miles Sports vr-4 chromies Cars in the garage: jaguar x-type (Sold) vw passat 07 Ford Focus (DD) Eclipse GST VR-4 Wanted: 97-03 Diamante Infinity Amp (#MR172814) 97-99 DSM GSX rims 17" or Stock Evo Rims Wanted 3/S Parts: Wire harness from the amp and CD changer Infinity speakers (all)

06-05-2008, 01:30 PM	#19 (permalink)
SnakeSkinner Supporting Vendor Join Date: Jul 2000 Trader Rating: (32)	Re: Car and Driver says M3 > GT-R & 911 Turbo For 15 yrs C&D has called the M3 the "holy grail" of sports cars. I dont think anything will ever change there minds on that. For yrs it has been in tests were it gets trounced by every car in the test and thy still like it better, all the way back to the C4 corvette days. To each his own.... __________________ 93 RT TT 8.81@166.7mph @3600ft Worlds Quickest and Fastest 3000gt/stealth 95 3000GT VR-4 10.56@136mph- 714 AWHP & 607 AWTQ (dr-900's) (sold) 92 Stealth RT TT 10.69@133.45mph @3600ft (dr-800's) (sold) 95 RT TT 10.88@129.1mph @3600ft (sold) 95 RT TT 11.9@118mph (stock injectors) 2004 F350 Harley 14.4@90mph at 3600ft 2007 Charger SRT-8 12.3@120mph@3600ft, Heads/cam, NOS 548 RWHP 2001 Dodge Viper GTS Heads/cam 612 rwhp & 619 rwtq There are 2 ways to make a car fast. #1 use the Right combo of parts #2 Throw so much money at it that the car has no choice but to be fast. I choose #1 Click for US 3S Fastest ET list Better to be a racer for a moment then a spectator for a lifetime "Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education alone will not; the world is full of educated derelict."— John Calvin Coolidge