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Old 02-29-2008, 10:53 PM   #149 (permalink)
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Default Re: E85 Powered VR4?

Ok here are some links for you guys to review about running E85 in our cars.
First off I would like to point out that just because you read that some one is running E85 in a DSM or Evo does not make it safe. The auto manufactures incur additional cost and engineering expense to properly design a FFV. They would not be incurring these cost if it was not necessary.

Now, don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with using E85 and cutting into the oil companies pocket books. E85 has an octane rating of 100-105, so you can run more boost and make more power. You just need to run about 30% more fuel due to its lower energy content then dino fuel.

If you are going to use E85 Do it safely The last thing I want to read about is some member of this forum that was hurt or killed from running E85 in an improper setup.

Here is a link from the DoE that gives a good overview of what is needed in a FFV.

http://www.eere.energy.gov/afdc/pdfs/41597.pdf

Let me point your attention to the car photo on the second page. You will note that to be E85 compatible a FFV needs a spark arrestor in the fill hole. Why? Because E85 is more conductive then gasoline. This is why I recommend not using a wet pump with E85. Ever get out of your car and get an electric shock when you touch the door? Now imagine going to the filling station and you don't ground your self, you open the fill cap and discharge your self on the metal tube of the fill spout and create a spark. Boom. Also, if a fuel is conductive, you don't want to be exposing it to a high current motor or you are just asking for trouble.

Look around the photo and you will see a few other issues that need to be addressed for E85 compatibility in addition to greater fuel flow capacity.

Here is another link to vehicles that are currently rated for use as FFV

http://www.cleanairchoice.org/outdoo...elVehicles.asp

Don't see the Stealth listed or any other Mitsubishi vehicles.

Also you need to remember that our fuel line travels right over the passenger side exhaust pipe. If the fuel line dries out and cracks you are going to have fuel on that hot pipe. I have a section of stock fuel line from my 94 VR-4 left over when I did a pump upgrade. I placed it in a container of methanol tonight and will let it sit for a week. I will post up some pictures so you can see the effects. Yes methanol is more corrosive then Ethanol, but the effect of an alcohol based fuel will be the same. I can do some testing with denatured alcohol, or when I have time get some E85 from a local station.

You will note that the hose on the filling pumps for E85 are Blue and not Black like standard gasoline pumps. The hose is required to be compatible with alcohol fuels and as such is a different material then standard gasoline pumps.

In a nut shell, if your vehicle is not rated from the manufacture as a FFV then don't be running E85 unless you have done all the conversions required to do it safely.

Best regards,

Dan
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